Curse

tehshadowninjar · Dec 28, 2007, 10:34 AM // 10:34

Okay, you know how you buy skills in PvP with ONLY Balthazar Faction, right? Well, I was thinking if whatever you buy with Balthazar faction, if you decided you didn't want it, you could sell it for 70%-100% of the Balthazar Faction you bought it for. You cannot sell any PvP related items that were already there before you used any faction to buy anything.

Tyla · Dec 28, 2007, 11:47 AM // 11:47

/notsigned
what if you wanted to think up a new build?

tehshadowninjar · Dec 31, 2007, 09:27 PM // 21:27

Uhhh, your point? How does that even comply or associate with "PvP skill selling"? >.>

Red · Dec 31, 2007, 09:36 PM // 21:36

I think he means something more along the lines of Balthazar Faction refunds.

It is, I guess, another attempt to deal with the annoying system that is Balthazar faction.

"Ok, can you roll an Shockwave earth ele?"
"Crap, sorry, I don't have it and I only have 1000 faction"
"Oh....."
"Wait, I can sell Obsidian Flesh back to the Priest of Balthazar for 2000 faction.... there, I have enough!"
"Yay! Now unlock Shockwave!"

tehshadowninjar · Dec 31, 2007, 09:44 PM // 21:44

And that's a bad thing?

I Phoenix I · Dec 31, 2007, 09:47 PM // 21:47

/notsigned

Think wisely before you unlock a skill, and if you go by one profession at a time, it should be no problem for you.

If you really want fast faction, do that Zaishen Challenge or whatever thing.

Red · Dec 31, 2007, 09:59 PM // 21:59

/not signed

I think, for what it is, it's neat. It deals with the faction problem some people experience, and 1000 or 3000 faction may not be much in the grand scheme of things... but it's certainly a lot when you don't have it, but your team wants you to take a certain skill and armor set that you don't have unlocked.

However, this just isn't a huge problem in and of itself, nor is it something I'd want the devs spending their time on. There's just too many other things they could be doing productively... and if we were GOING to talk about unlocking PvP skills and items, maybe we should discuss the fundamental issue with Balthazar Faction and the unlocking system, which is to say IT'S BLOODY ANNOYING.

Age · Dec 31, 2007, 10:04 PM // 22:04

It doesn't take long to get more B. faction to unlock another skill just go out and fight for it.What about all the nerfed skills who wants to buy all those LoD anyone.

tehshadowninjar · Dec 31, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Yeah, but you're always wanting to try out different professions... for example.

You have a sin, all skills are unlocked for him, or nearly all.
"Man, I'm so bored... I wana try something new."
*Tries dervish*
"Meh, this is okay"
2-5 days later...
"I suck with this..."
*Goes back to sin*
1-3 days later...
"I'm bored again..."

Then you continue to play different professions.
Mind you that you will have to buy new good skills often for the different professions so you'll be somewhat good. But if you choose to hate a profession, you might want to get back 70%-100% of your Balthazar Faction you spent on it (excluding starting skills).

tehshadowninjar · Dec 31, 2007, 10:15 PM // 22:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

It doesn't take long to get more B. faction to unlock another skill just go out and fight for it.

Well, there's some twists to that... you know when you find a site and you're just DYING to try out one of these great recommended builds, but guess what? OH, you have NONE of the skills. So you have to work on getting the runes for the added attributes, the armour, the weps, the accessories for the armour/weps, 3k for the elite, and 7k more for the rest. (6k if it includes res sig). Then about... 8k or something for all the extras you have to equip. How easy is that to get? You only get 3k Balthazar Faction per 24 hours from Zaishen Challenge. 3k in RA, of which you head into TA, and 0.5 teams out of 10 actually win a match as soon as they head into TA. HA requires high ranked people >.> Unless you do it with guildees. HB requires your heroes to be good, in which you have to spend extra Balthazar Faction on their crap. Zaishen Elite Challenge, you can't choose your opponent and they're smarter, better, and have +1 team member. So that's incredibly hard to beat w/o a very GOOD strategy. TA is hard, because half of the teams have vent. RA, you never know what you get. Which is exactly my point... -.-

Darkhell153 · Jan 01, 2008, 12:49 AM // 00:49

your entire concept is stupid. If you buy a skill and the stop using the build you wanted that skill for, who says you won't want the same skill next week? ArenaNet doesn't allow you to sell skills to protect the stupid people of the world from themselves (if you've been to AB you know there are more stupid people in the world then you think). Selling Skills is a useless idea and is going to make enough people angry that THEY don't use it wiseley and the consequence ends up biting them in the rear. And seriously don't argue with the criticism of the others here (unless it's over forks) especially seeing as you only joined the forums this month Mr. Ascalong Squire. *I personally am amazed that I almost made this entire speech without saying the word "fork" (there I said it, haha)*

Tyla · Jan 01, 2008, 01:01 AM // 01:01

sorry wasnt thinking properly the first time, but /notsigned when you can have all skills instead through farming RA, ty for explaining to my puny brain red

Darkhell153 · Jan 01, 2008, 01:07 AM // 01:07

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

sorry wasnt thinking properly the first time, but /notsigned when you can have all skills instead through farming RA, ty for explaining to my puny brain red

you have honor, you could've simply edited your original post making everyone else who talked about it look like a complete idiot...Does the fact this idea occured to me make me a mean person?

thedeadlyassassin · Jan 01, 2008, 02:17 AM // 02:17

/notsigned.

Make your choices correctly, and this would NOT work. Let's say I unlock Shockwave in PVE, use it as my elite all the time, then I decide to sell it to a b. priest to unlock... let's say... searing flames, now I have a skill I don't have unlocked on my PvE character? Or does it go away?

It's easy enough to go skill capping for elites in PvE, and easy enough to get B. Faction

tehshadowninjar · Jan 01, 2008, 03:49 AM // 03:49

That's completely void... I said >>>PVP<<<
Yet, you mentioned PvE... smart. And I can see that Darkhell153 is some sort of a forum troll. Hey, listen here... GTFO. It's not how long someone has been on a forum, but how much knowledge that person can apply to his or her work of arts.

Diddy bow · Jan 01, 2008, 04:31 AM // 04:31

/notsigned

IMO the only reason anyone would want this is for more faction for the zaishen chest, its bad habit to shorten your skill list for some consumables

tehshadowninjar · Jan 01, 2008, 04:36 AM // 04:36

That's not why I thought of it... o.o I just thought that sometimes people may want other skills/accessories/heroes than what they have.

Diddy bow · Jan 01, 2008, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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Originally Posted by tehshadowninjar

That's not why I thoguht of it... o.o I just thought that sometimes people may want other skills/accessories/heroes than what they have.

Ok, but thats what most people would use it for, cant be 100% return obviosly then 8000 faction=uax, i think this would really be a bad idea overall though.

tehshadowninjar · Jan 01, 2008, 04:47 AM // 04:47

Why? If you're an idiot that sells nearly all of your skills for zaishen keys, it's your fault, no one elses.

HawkofStorms · Jan 01, 2008, 04:55 AM // 04:55

/notsigned
Its an interesting idea... but geez, its so easy to get faction anyway... what's the point of refunding.
I'm only a casual PvPer and I still have over 400k faction. Very rarely do you need "refunding." Also, how do you relock something if you have it unlocked on a PvE character. Does the skill get like... half locked.

Also... well, with zaizhen chests now it would be very abusable to gain back faction in this way. I'd suddenly have a few hundred keys.